Abhisit: at what price?

[thong]

Hi David98

at least the formation of the government now is still working within the democratic rules... if the democrats succeed the government will be composed of all elected MPs....

At the time when you wrote on this subject, it may seem that all are done democratically.
I have now the following observations:
1. MPs movement were subjected to ‘hotel arrest’ and no mobile phone communication was allowed. This is illegal because this is against the will of some MPs.
2. The hugging of newin and abisit during government formation stage amounted to a banned politician influencing the formation of a government. This is again Election rules and not constitutional.
3. Visiting of Abisit to banned party leaders during formation stage gave reason to believe that banned leaders influenced the formation of a new Government.
4. The reported military influence and intervention in forming a government is against the Constitution and have not been acted on immediately by the relevant authorities on a matter that is widely speculated and is of urgent and important public interest.
5. The relevant authority have not even dealt straight forwardly an issue speculated openly by the medias and of public interest the complaint that donations influence the appointment of ministers. Under the present political climate the EC and NACC are not credible enough to deal with the issue unless working together with some civil activist groups.
6. To some the use of SMS to voters for whatever reason intended amounted to rewarding the Telcos for their supporta A straight forward clarification is needed whether it was the Telcos or government or Democrat or Abisit paid for the service given.

[SARDINES]

Hi David98

at least the formation of the government now is still working within the democratic rules... if the democrats succeed the government will be composed of all elected MPs....

At the time when you wrote on this subject, it may seem that all are done democratically.
I have now the following observations:
1. MPs movement were subjected to ‘hotel arrest’ and no mobile phone communication was allowed. This is illegal because this is against the will of some MPs.
2. The hugging of newin and abisit during government formation stage amounted to a banned politician influencing the formation of a government. This is again Election rules and not constitutional.
3. Visiting of Abisit to banned party leaders during formation stage gave reason to believe that banned leaders influenced the formation of a new Government.
4. The reported military influence and intervention in forming a government is against the Constitution and have not been acted on immediately by the relevant authorities on a matter that is widely speculated and is of urgent and important public interest.
5. The relevant authority have not even dealt straight forwardly an issue speculated openly by the medias and of public interest the complaint that donations influence the appointment of ministers. Under the present political climate the EC and NACC are not credible enough to deal with the issue unless working together with some civil activist groups.
6. To some the use of SMS to voters for whatever reason intended amounted to rewarding the Telcos for their supporta A straight forward clarification is needed whether it was the Telcos or government or Democrat or Abisit paid for the service given.

Thanks for your input, Thong.

One more point that I would like to emphasize. The MP's in the Newin faction inside the PPP had BETRAYED their own voters who had given them their votes in trust that they would elect the party that they wanted which is the Puea Thai (ex PPP, ex TRT) to the government AND SPECIFICALLY not to elect the Democrats into power.

People speak of the betrayal and back stabbing that the Friends of Newin committed against Taksin.... oh well, that's politics... but the real batrayal was done to those folks back home in Issan that voted them in to become MP's. They have taken an "about-face" to their promises to their VOTERS back home.

SARDINES

[thong]

Hi Sardines

I agree. By-election is coming. I hope that PT will work hard and explain the situation well to the people. It is likely that some forms of intervention will be there to intimidate voters. I hope PT will double check their member to make sure that they don't also belong to another party like the one that got the ex-speaker being banned from politic.

I think PT should work toward forming a single party government. No coalition.

[unknown]

The PAD has already done the worst, they have already established themselves no different than terrorists. Having gone through such long hard weeks of conflict especially shutting down the airport and putting innocent people's lives as their hostages, I must admit that consciously, some people might be afraid that this would happen again...especially that
the PAD is going to come out again sometimes in the future and put this country at stake again. If you think about it,
it is scary because it seems like the leaders especially or the people supporting PAD from behind the scenes could care
less about Thai people and what happens if this country lies in total destruction.
This had already become some sort of nightmare for everyone...even as we sit at our homes and type all our thoughtful messages, nomatter how much we despise the PAD and hated for what they are doing, we're powerless even though everyone
possess the qualities of compassion. I mean we feel sad and sympathetic especially to those innocent people who had no connection or whatsoever relation to Thai politics, fell as hostages from PAD. I'm sure all of you have mixed emotions after witnessing what they have done even to neutral Thai people as well.
However, don't be so relieved...like many of you, I have a sick feeling even though Abhisit is now the PM. I have to admit like many optimistic people, believes that this is going to be extremely challenging for him to set things right. But on the other hand for Abhisit, I felt that he's no longer in a position to oppose the PAD or even to set justice upon the PAD, especially for the leaders on what they have done to the country. Somebody already has put a list out there for all the damages they've caused to the country and to Thai people already!
I felt that Abhisit is no longer in a position to put PAD to justice even as PM because in order to keep position, he would have to learn how to negotiate or even to cooperate or compromise with them. He can't do anything that may anger the PAD's. For example with the foreign minister, to me, Abhisit defends the foreign minister's apologies and this is setting himself an example to the PAD's that he's the PM that they want. He doesn't want any trouble with PAD for sure of knowing what had happened to Thailand, to Somchai and Samak. Of course we know that what the foreign minister said was true, and that he truly enjoyed the PAD's protest because it was fun with all the good food and music...(sick people), and it was fun! with good food and music! and you know why? I'm sure that everybody has seen or witnessed the footages taken from news reports on TV, showing the protesters giving out free food and water, playing badminton, and selling cheap bags and things. Hell it was like a Night Bazaar! they have their little market going on in there and all the fun stuff you can do! I'm sure that all of you and even myself believe that this is true!
But now look at Abhisit, I felt like he's trying to save face and compromise with PAD since his foreign minister was part of the PAD protest and a heavy supporter to them. I know that Abhisit can be a good debater, and the way he defends his foreign minister is like looking for a debate, trying to wipe away the truthful images that comes to our minds when his FM recalls the protest at Suvarnabhumi airport as fun with good food and music. Hell everybody knows that this is true, and there's no way that what the PAD has done will ever be forgotten from all the people. So Mr. Abhisit, I hope you understand that what everyone is looking for especially, is how you would handle for all the damages the PAD has caused, and knowing that all these tremendous damages are no doubt held responsible from the PAD and it's leaders.
Are you able to give the Justice that we (neutral citizens, hard working people trying to make a living, good men tired of witnessing blood shed, tired of people separated by politicians, etc..) deserve?
Or are you just another politician who puts power before the need of the people?

[Minnie]

I don't think Thailand yet realises the price it will have to pay for this stupid kid sitting in thre high chair
The other day, hearing his CNN interview he was harping about stimulus funds into the economy...and it got me thinking...Thai banks did not over expose themselves like their EU or US counter parts...the real thing that Thailand needs at this moment is to reduce the value of the bath as that is affecting exports exponentially and labour costs...
Then later on the day I was listening to CNBC and an analyst was talking about the Real estate Co in US also seeking bail oiut funds...and this analyst was saying you can bail out all and sundry otherwise it become a socialist pay out for the rich.....AND that is when it hit me...Abhist with his talk of stimulus etc funding Co etc...will essentially be helping out his rich friends from the taxes of the rest of the Thai people....Democracy...my back side...Fascism = Socialidsm for the rich

Also...when he was being interviews on CNN he actually said yes the other party had more votes than us...then he contradicted himself...the guy is FULL of KRAP

[Minnie]

http://thailandjumpedtheshark.blogspot.com/

enjoy the read another good website

[stilljustbrowsing]

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[Minnie]

I wasn't sure in which threa to place this with.
But I wanted to begin to have a discussion on the economics OR NOT of this Abcess guy and what his financial backers have bought to Thailand, I will include others as I find them, but by all means lets get stuck in..

OK Tourism industry as per my last thread...Thai authorities refuse entry into Thailand to a cruise load of Tourists !!!!
good move...NOT

I found this in another blog I participate in.
and it clearly shows that international companies are halting investment into Thailand whilst still carrying it on in other countries...so my question would be to tie in with this thread..How much more will the people of Thailand have to pay before ENOUGH is ENOUGH

Delays possible for St Regis Bangkok
Minor International, one of Asia-Pacific’s largest hospitality companies, has begun a review of its hotel investment plans and may delay the opening of the St Regis Bangkok luxury hotel and residence project that is currently scheduled for completion in 2010, said CEO William Heinecke.

"We´re studying it carefully. We can always delay if we´re in deep economic recession," said Heinecke. "Thailand is now in the perfect storm. Aside from global recession, there are demonstrations, government instability and the closure of airports. It´s the perfect instability.”

In the wake of the November airport closures Minor´s hotel properties witnessed booking cancellations worth Bt180 million, excluding potential income from food and beverage. Heinecke said that the group had not recovered what it lost and the situation would not be normal until political stability was reinstated.
The group´s average occupancy rate in this year´s high season is presently running at 70 per cent, down from 99 per cent last peak season. In resort areas the impact has been particularly severe; the newly opened Anantara at Sikao is running at 40-per-cent occupancy, while the occupancy rate of the Anantara Phuket is at 60 per cent.

In addition to the St Regis Bangkok, the Anantara Kao Lak, also scheduled for completion in 2010, could be delayed if the economic situation deteriorates further.

Minor however will proceed with its investment plans overseas, with the Anantara Kihavah Huravalhu in the Maldives and properties in Tanzania, Dubai, Vietnam and Abu Dhabi
http://www.property-report.com/em_to...70&date=060109

[villager]

Is there no end to this creep, any more and i,m going out to blow my minuscule brain out!, lolololololololololololool.

[farang2x]

Yes we know about the high moral standards of PPP, TRT, and UDD groups.
They don't know anything about dishonest practises and "back stabbing".